注意:此分割影響到部分或全部的鑑定,也許會被替換成 Natrix 的鑑定。 當我們無法自動指派一筆鑑定到輸出分類群之中時會發生這樣的情況。 檢閱Natrix natrix29339的鑑定

Taxonomic Split 65139 (提交於 2019-11-19)

See https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/368437 and https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/295862
Natrix natrix (sensu lato) has been split twice. First Pokrant et al., 2016 split off Natrix natrix ssp. astreptophora (snakes west of the Pyrenees) as Natrix astreptophora

Then Kindler et al., 2017 split off snakes west of the Rhine as Natrix helvetica, specitically:
Natrix natrix ssp. helvetica
Natrix natrix ssp. cetti
Natrix natrix ssp. lanzai
Natrix natrix ssp. sicula
Natrix natrix ssp. corsa

leaving Natrix natrix sensu stricto (east of the Rhine) as:
Natrix natrix ssp. calabra
Natrix natrix ssp. cypriaca
Natrix natrix ssp. fusca
Natrix natrix ssp. gotlandica
Natrix natrix ssp. natrix
Natrix natrix ssp. persa
Natrix natrix ssp. schweizeri
Natrix natrix ssp. scutata
Natrix natrix ssp. syriaca

未知 | Natrix natrix swing-split
| 由 loarie 於 2019年11月19日 所提交
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Hi @loarie , as in these flags ( https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/851211-Natrix-helvetica/flags & https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/966787-Natrix-natrix/flags ) all Italian Natrix natrix obs (except Veneto and Friuli-Venezia Giulia, NE Italy) should have been assigned to the taxon Natrix helvetica.

See FigS1 here https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41598-018-20218-2/MediaObjects/41598_2018_20218_MOESM1_ESM.pdf

Now, probably due to an error in the atlas, most of them were assigned to Natrix natrix (e.g., https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/6054057 )
while those of western Italy have been assigned to the genus Natrix ( https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/27680553 )

It is possible to fix or t is necessary to identify again all the observations?
Best

發佈由 danieleseglie 超過 4 年 前

I'll try to fix this - Are Veneto and Friuli-Venezia Giulia snakes Natrix natrix or a mix of Natrix natrix and Natrix helvetica?

發佈由 loarie 超過 4 年 前

Hi @loarie , thanks!

Veneto & Friuli-Venezia Giulia -> genus Natrix (mixed N. helvetica - N. Natrix, lack of genetic data)
All the rest of Italy -> N. helvetica

Best!
D.

發佈由 danieleseglie 超過 4 年 前

Seems that the problem about Italy is still unresolved: is there any way we can help?

發佈由 aaroniemma 超過 4 年 前

agree with @aaroniemma & @danieleseglie issue still to be solved!
As for the problem with Bufotes, if I may add...

發佈由 finrod 超過 4 年 前

Hi @loarie , are there any updates related to the possibility of fixing this issue without re-identifying again all the obs?
Best,
Thanks!
D.

發佈由 danieleseglie 約 4 年 前

working on this now - sorry for the delay. Its complicated....

發佈由 loarie 約 4 年 前

OK should be fixed now - sorry for the initial screw up and the delay fixing it. Let me know if anything looks odd

發佈由 loarie 約 4 年 前

Now everything seems fine! Thanks a lot as usual @loarie ! Best!

發佈由 danieleseglie 約 4 年 前

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