Transferring Leopoldia to Muscari?

Apart the obvious morphological differences, on a gentic basis it seems that the genus Leopoldia is nested inside Muscari so, in iNaturalist we could decide to transfer all Leopoldia species to Muscari. What do you think?

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ayten_Dizkirici/publication/329200849_Molecular_phylogeny_of_Muscari_Asparagaceae_inferred_from_cpDNA_sequences/links/5bffe62845851523d1539baf/Molecular-phylogeny-of-Muscari-Asparagaceae-inferred-from-cpDNA-sequences.pdf

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由使用者 blue_celery blue_celery2019年12月20日 15:28 所貼文

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In Portugal Muscari comosum is more frequently used than Leopoldia comosa.
https://flora-on.pt/#/1Muscari+comosum
https://jb.utad.pt/especie/Muscari_comosum
The same occurs in Flora Iberica. Therefore the suggested change seems to be Ok

發佈由 mjcorreia 超過 4 年 前

from a "pillosphical" point of view I'm more a lumper than a splitter, and I would agree to that.
Due to lack of time I haven't been reading terribly carefully the paper linked by @blue_celery but from what I've seen it seems me pretty uncontroversial that leopoldia should be transferred to Muscari.
@fragmansapir what do you reckon?

發佈由 finrod 超過 4 年 前

I think that such a change should be supported by more research. In my view Leopoldia is different and distinct from Muscari.

發佈由 fragmansapir 超過 4 年 前

Both fits me. I actually agree that erecting Leopoldia probably leaves Muscari paraphyletic ; on the other hand, keeping Muscari l.s. help better understanding its relatiships with Bellevalia, so it's OK for me.

That said, one should keep in mind that classification do not need to always be taxonomic :practical classification would exist too, and even some "species" actually appears to be paraphyletic (Ursus maritimus falls into U. arctos, but we keep it).

The solution, in the future, as Leopoldia appears to be well characterized, and monophyletic, would be to split the rest of Muscari, to create monophyletic genus; waiting for this, what we do here is identification, not classification. Be it called either Leopoldia, Muscari, or even Bellevalia, there's no problem of recognition of one species / taxon, just a problem of how about naming them. Whatever we do, no one taxon will be lost, so I agree to do what is the most commonly accepted and used, even in imho Leopoldia should be regarded as valid.

發佈由 fabienpiednoir 超過 4 年 前

@fragmansapir heheh, yes I do remember you argued that when we met :-)

發佈由 finrod 超過 4 年 前

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